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[j-nsp] QFX5110 / VXLAN
Scott Harvanek
2018-07-03 11:48:18 UTC
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Is anyone on here running 5110s for VXLAN/VTEP/EVPN and run into any issues? I’ve gone over the caveats list Juniper has for these in regards to what they won’t do in regards to VXLAN and it seems like they meet our needs… just curious if anyone has run into any lesser documented issues with them.

I’m looking at the list here; https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos/topics/concept/vxlan-constraints-qfx-series.html <https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos/topics/concept/vxlan-constraints-qfx-series.html>

Is there a better device for VXLAN on the juniper side? We’re looking for something comparable to the Nexus 9372 on the Cisco side.

Cheers!

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Roger Wiklund
2018-07-03 16:47:33 UTC
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Hi Scott

Should be fine as L2 GW. L3 GW and Route Type 5 support is quite recent.

Beefier alternatives are QFX10002, or MX204 if you want to go MX route with
fewer ports. Both have custom ASICs with higher scale, and higher chance to
overcome caveats/limitations especially tied to chipset limitation.

Regards
Roger
Post by Scott Harvanek
Is anyone on here running 5110s for VXLAN/VTEP/EVPN and run into any
issues? I’ve gone over the caveats list Juniper has for these in regards
to what they won’t do in regards to VXLAN and it seems like they meet our
needs… just curious if anyone has run into any lesser documented issues
with them.
I’m looking at the list here; https://www.juniper.net/
documentation/en_US/junos/topics/concept/vxlan-constraints-qfx-series.html
<https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos/topics/concept/vxlan-
constraints-qfx-series.html>
Is there a better device for VXLAN on the juniper side? We’re looking for
something comparable to the Nexus 9372 on the Cisco side.
Cheers!
Scott H
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Pavel Lunin
2018-07-04 19:20:05 UTC
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Btw, it's a very good question if anyone here has more or less close to
real-world experience with L3 gw and evpn type 5 routes on QFX5110 or maybe
any other trident 2+ based box.

Would much appreciate your input.

Regards,
Pavel
Post by Roger Wiklund
Hi Scott
Should be fine as L2 GW. L3 GW and Route Type 5 support is quite recent.
Beefier alternatives are QFX10002, or MX204 if you want to go MX route with
fewer ports. Both have custom ASICs with higher scale, and higher chance to
overcome caveats/limitations especially tied to chipset limitation.
Regards
Roger
Post by Scott Harvanek
Is anyone on here running 5110s for VXLAN/VTEP/EVPN and run into any
issues? I’ve gone over the caveats list Juniper has for these in regards
to what they won’t do in regards to VXLAN and it seems like they meet our
needs… just curious if anyone has run into any lesser documented issues
with them.
I’m looking at the list here; https://www.juniper.net/
documentation/en_US/junos/topics/concept/vxlan-constraints-qfx-series.html
Post by Scott Harvanek
<https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos/topics/concept/vxlan-
constraints-qfx-series.html>
Is there a better device for VXLAN on the juniper side? We’re looking for
something comparable to the Nexus 9372 on the Cisco side.
Cheers!
Scott H
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Scott Harvanek
2018-07-04 21:03:17 UTC
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Cost is a factor I don’t think I can get anyone to bite on something bigger either as the application is solely VXLAN in a compact form factor.

-Scott H
Btw, it's a very good question if anyone here has more or less close to real-world experience with L3 gw and evpn type 5 routes on QFX5110 or maybe any other trident 2+ based box.
Would much appreciate your input.
Regards,
Pavel
Post by Roger Wiklund
Hi Scott
Should be fine as L2 GW. L3 GW and Route Type 5 support is quite recent.
Beefier alternatives are QFX10002, or MX204 if you want to go MX route with
fewer ports. Both have custom ASICs with higher scale, and higher chance to
overcome caveats/limitations especially tied to chipset limitation.
Regards
Roger
Post by Scott Harvanek
Is anyone on here running 5110s for VXLAN/VTEP/EVPN and run into any
issues? I’ve gone over the caveats list Juniper has for these in regards
to what they won’t do in regards to VXLAN and it seems like they meet our
needs… just curious if anyone has run into any lesser documented issues
with them.
I’m looking at the list here; https://www.juniper.net/
documentation/en_US/junos/topics/concept/vxlan-constraints-qfx-series.html
<https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos/topics/concept/vxlan-
constraints-qfx-series.html>
Is there a better device for VXLAN on the juniper side? We’re looking for
something comparable to the Nexus 9372 on the Cisco side.
Cheers!
Scott H
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Brant Ian Stevens
2018-07-04 22:50:28 UTC
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And now there's the announcement of the QFX5120 and EX4650 to the mix. 
Those are Trident-3 based, if I am not mistaken.  Boxes look great on
paper...
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Post by Scott Harvanek
Cost is a factor I don’t think I can get anyone to bite on something bigger either as the application is solely VXLAN in a compact form factor.
-Scott H
Btw, it's a very good question if anyone here has more or less close to real-world experience with L3 gw and evpn type 5 routes on QFX5110 or maybe any other trident 2+ based box.
Would much appreciate your input.
Regards,
Pavel
Post by Roger Wiklund
Hi Scott
Should be fine as L2 GW. L3 GW and Route Type 5 support is quite recent.
Beefier alternatives are QFX10002, or MX204 if you want to go MX route with
fewer ports. Both have custom ASICs with higher scale, and higher chance to
overcome caveats/limitations especially tied to chipset limitation.
Regards
Roger
Post by Scott Harvanek
Is anyone on here running 5110s for VXLAN/VTEP/EVPN and run into any
issues? I’ve gone over the caveats list Juniper has for these in regards
to what they won’t do in regards to VXLAN and it seems like they meet our
needs… just curious if anyone has run into any lesser documented issues
with them.
I’m looking at the list here; https://www.juniper.net/
documentation/en_US/junos/topics/concept/vxlan-constraints-qfx-series.html
<https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos/topics/concept/vxlan-
constraints-qfx-series.html>
Is there a better device for VXLAN on the juniper side? We’re looking for
something comparable to the Nexus 9372 on the Cisco side.
Cheers!
Scott H
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Mike Gonnason
2018-08-06 16:40:50 UTC
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Be aware on the QFX5110 that L3 VXLAN is limited, You cannot route vxlan to
vlan:
https://prsearch.juniper.net/InfoCenter/index?page=prcontent&id=PR1318178



On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 3:51 PM Brant Ian Stevens <
Post by Brant Ian Stevens
And now there's the announcement of the QFX5120 and EX4650 to the mix.
Those are Trident-3 based, if I am not mistaken. Boxes look great on
paper...
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Post by Scott Harvanek
Cost is a factor I don’t think I can get anyone to bite on something
bigger either as the application is solely VXLAN in a compact form factor.
Post by Scott Harvanek
-Scott H
Post by Pavel Lunin
Btw, it's a very good question if anyone here has more or less close to
real-world experience with L3 gw and evpn type 5 routes on QFX5110 or maybe
any other trident 2+ based box.
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Would much appreciate your input.
Regards,
Pavel
Post by Roger Wiklund
Hi Scott
Should be fine as L2 GW. L3 GW and Route Type 5 support is quite
recent.
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
Beefier alternatives are QFX10002, or MX204 if you want to go MX route
with
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
fewer ports. Both have custom ASICs with higher scale, and higher
chance to
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
overcome caveats/limitations especially tied to chipset limitation.
Regards
Roger
On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Scott Harvanek <
Post by Scott Harvanek
Is anyone on here running 5110s for VXLAN/VTEP/EVPN and run into any
issues? I’ve gone over the caveats list Juniper has for these in
regards
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
Post by Scott Harvanek
to what they won’t do in regards to VXLAN and it seems like they meet
our
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
Post by Scott Harvanek
needs… just curious if anyone has run into any lesser documented
issues
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
Post by Scott Harvanek
with them.
I’m looking at the list here; https://www.juniper.net/
documentation/en_US/junos/topics/concept/vxlan-constraints-qfx-series.html
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
Post by Scott Harvanek
<
https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos/topics/concept/vxlan-
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
Post by Scott Harvanek
constraints-qfx-series.html>
Is there a better device for VXLAN on the juniper side? We’re looking
for
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
Post by Scott Harvanek
something comparable to the Nexus 9372 on the Cisco side.
Cheers!
Scott H
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Richard McGovern
2018-08-07 17:42:38 UTC
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Correct. For this functionality one needs either a 10K/MXPTX or EX9200 at current time. These situations may also require EVPN-MPLS, versus EVPN-VXLAN. QFX5110 is limited to EVPN-VXLAN at least today. QFX5100 provide L2 only EVPN-VXLAN.

Thanks for pointing this out.

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Be aware on the QFX5110 that L3 VXLAN is limited, You cannot route vxlan to
vlan:
https://prsearch.juniper.net/InfoCenter/index?page=prcontent&id=PR1318178



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Post by Brant Ian Stevens
And now there's the announcement of the QFX5120 and EX4650 to the mix.
Those are Trident-3 based, if I am not mistaken. Boxes look great on
paper...
--
Regards,
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Post by Scott Harvanek
Cost is a factor I don’t think I can get anyone to bite on something
bigger either as the application is solely VXLAN in a compact form factor.
Post by Scott Harvanek
-Scott H
Post by Pavel Lunin
Btw, it's a very good question if anyone here has more or less close to
real-world experience with L3 gw and evpn type 5 routes on QFX5110 or maybe
any other trident 2+ based box.
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Would much appreciate your input.
Regards,
Pavel
Post by Roger Wiklund
Hi Scott
Should be fine as L2 GW. L3 GW and Route Type 5 support is quite
recent.
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
Beefier alternatives are QFX10002, or MX204 if you want to go MX route
with
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
fewer ports. Both have custom ASICs with higher scale, and higher
chance to
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
overcome caveats/limitations especially tied to chipset limitation.
Regards
Roger
On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Scott Harvanek <
Post by Scott Harvanek
Is anyone on here running 5110s for VXLAN/VTEP/EVPN and run into any
issues? I’ve gone over the caveats list Juniper has for these in
regards
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
Post by Scott Harvanek
to what they won’t do in regards to VXLAN and it seems like they meet
our
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
Post by Scott Harvanek
needs… just curious if anyone has run into any lesser documented
issues
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
Post by Scott Harvanek
with them.
I’m looking at the list here; https://www.juniper.net/
documentation/en_US/junos/topics/concept/vxlan-constraints-qfx-series.html
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
Post by Scott Harvanek
<
https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos/topics/concept/vxlan-
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
Post by Scott Harvanek
constraints-qfx-series.html>
Is there a better device for VXLAN on the juniper side? We’re looking
for
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
Post by Scott Harvanek
something comparable to the Nexus 9372 on the Cisco side.
Cheers!
Scott H
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Brian Rak
2018-08-07 17:50:23 UTC
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Are the QFX5200/QFX5210 also only layer 2 EVPN-VXLAN?
Post by Richard McGovern
Correct. For this functionality one needs either a 10K/MXPTX or EX9200 at current time. These situations may also require EVPN-MPLS, versus EVPN-VXLAN. QFX5110 is limited to EVPN-VXLAN at least today. QFX5100 provide L2 only EVPN-VXLAN.
Thanks for pointing this out.
Be aware on the QFX5110 that L3 VXLAN is limited, You cannot route vxlan to
https://prsearch.juniper.net/InfoCenter/index?page=prcontent&id=PR1318178
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Post by Brant Ian Stevens
And now there's the announcement of the QFX5120 and EX4650 to the mix.
Those are Trident-3 based, if I am not mistaken. Boxes look great on
paper...
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Post by Scott Harvanek
Cost is a factor I don’t think I can get anyone to bite on something
bigger either as the application is solely VXLAN in a compact form factor.
Post by Scott Harvanek
-Scott H
Post by Pavel Lunin
Btw, it's a very good question if anyone here has more or less close to
real-world experience with L3 gw and evpn type 5 routes on QFX5110 or maybe
any other trident 2+ based box.
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Would much appreciate your input.
Regards,
Pavel
Post by Roger Wiklund
Hi Scott
Should be fine as L2 GW. L3 GW and Route Type 5 support is quite
recent.
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
Beefier alternatives are QFX10002, or MX204 if you want to go MX route
with
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
fewer ports. Both have custom ASICs with higher scale, and higher
chance to
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
overcome caveats/limitations especially tied to chipset limitation.
Regards
Roger
On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Scott Harvanek <
Post by Scott Harvanek
Is anyone on here running 5110s for VXLAN/VTEP/EVPN and run into any
issues? I’ve gone over the caveats list Juniper has for these in
regards
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
Post by Scott Harvanek
to what they won’t do in regards to VXLAN and it seems like they meet
our
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
Post by Scott Harvanek
needs… just curious if anyone has run into any lesser documented
issues
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
Post by Scott Harvanek
with them.
I’m looking at the list here; https://www.juniper.net/
documentation/en_US/junos/topics/concept/vxlan-constraints-qfx-series.html
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
Post by Scott Harvanek
<
https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos/topics/concept/vxlan-
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
Post by Scott Harvanek
constraints-qfx-series.html>
Is there a better device for VXLAN on the juniper side? We’re looking
for
Post by Scott Harvanek
Post by Pavel Lunin
Post by Roger Wiklund
Post by Scott Harvanek
something comparable to the Nexus 9372 on the Cisco side.
Cheers!
Scott H
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Richard McGovern
2018-08-07 17:58:20 UTC
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They are both planned to support L3, but probably not day 1. QFX5200/QFX5210, both shipping products, are L2 only today. L3 VXLAN support will probably require RIOT – recycle packet. These platforms are Broadcom based so limitation is a Broadcom limitation.

Hope this helps.

On 8/7/18, 1:50 PM, "Brian Rak" <***@gameservers.com> wrote:

Are the QFX5200/QFX5210 also only layer 2 EVPN-VXLAN?
Post by Richard McGovern
Correct. For this functionality one needs either a 10K/MXPTX or EX9200 at current time. These situations may also require EVPN-MPLS, versus EVPN-VXLAN. QFX5110 is limited to EVPN-VXLAN at least today. QFX5100 provide L2 only EVPN-VXLAN.
Thanks for pointing this out.
Be aware on the QFX5110 that L3 VXLAN is limited, You cannot route vxlan to
https://prsearch.juniper.net/InfoCenter/index?page=prcontent&id=PR1318178
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And now there's the announcement of the QFX5120 and EX4650 to the mix.
Those are Trident-3 based, if I am not mistaken. Boxes look great on
paper...
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Cost is a factor I don’t think I can get anyone to bite on something
bigger either as the application is solely VXLAN in a compact form factor.
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Btw, it's a very good question if anyone here has more or less close to
real-world experience with L3 gw and evpn type 5 routes on QFX5110 or maybe
any other trident 2+ based box.
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Post by Pavel Lunin
Would much appreciate your input.
Regards,
Pavel
Post by Roger Wiklund
Hi Scott
Should be fine as L2 GW. L3 GW and Route Type 5 support is quite
recent.
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Beefier alternatives are QFX10002, or MX204 if you want to go MX route
with
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fewer ports. Both have custom ASICs with higher scale, and higher
chance to
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overcome caveats/limitations especially tied to chipset limitation.
Regards
Roger
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Is anyone on here running 5110s for VXLAN/VTEP/EVPN and run into any
issues? I’ve gone over the caveats list Juniper has for these in
regards
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to what they won’t do in regards to VXLAN and it seems like they meet
our
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needs… just curious if anyone has run into any lesser documented
issues
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with them.
I’m looking at the list here; https://www.juniper.net/
documentation/en_US/junos/topics/concept/vxlan-constraints-qfx-series.html
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<
https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos/topics/concept/vxlan-
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constraints-qfx-series.html>
Is there a better device for VXLAN on the juniper side? We’re looking
for
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something comparable to the Nexus 9372 on the Cisco side.
Cheers!
Scott H
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