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[j-nsp] PoE for older Cisco IP Phones
Robert Hass
2014-02-03 15:28:22 UTC
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I have some older pre-standard PoE IP Phones (it's NOT 802.1af) from Cisco:
7940
7912

Will Juniper EX2200, EX3300 and EX4300 work with these IP Phones ?
I know that they will work with EX4200 but what about newer Juniper
switches ?

Rob
Jerry Jones
2014-02-03 19:40:37 UTC
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If memory serves - which may be doubtful - those phones used a different wiring scheme so I would not think any Juniper switch would work.


On Feb 3, 2014, at 9:28 AM, Robert Hass <robhass at gmail.com> wrote:

I have some older pre-standard PoE IP Phones (it's NOT 802.1af) from Cisco:
7940
7912

Will Juniper EX2200, EX3300 and EX4300 work with these IP Phones ?
I know that they will work with EX4200 but what about newer Juniper
switches ?

Rob
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Patrick Okui
2014-02-03 20:24:50 UTC
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Post by Robert Hass
7940
7912
Will Juniper EX2200, EX3300 and EX4300 work with these IP Phones ?
I know that they will work with EX4200 but what about newer Juniper
switches ?
No. They won't. You'd need a cisco POE switch that knows about cisco's
proprietary POE (like the SG300-*P series)

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Robert Hass
2014-02-03 22:41:35 UTC
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Patrick,
I just connected 7912 and 7940 to EX4200. Works without issues. Tested few
images. Got signal that EX3200 also do the job. But what about EX3300 and
EX2200 (I don't have any of them for testing)

Rob
Post by Patrick Okui
Post by Robert Hass
I have some older pre-standard PoE IP Phones (it's NOT 802.1af) from
7940
7912
Will Juniper EX2200, EX3300 and EX4300 work with these IP Phones ?
I know that they will work with EX4200 but what about newer Juniper
switches ?
No. They won't. You'd need a cisco POE switch that knows about cisco's
proprietary POE (like the SG300-*P series)
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patrick
Patrick Okui
2014-02-04 10:04:27 UTC
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Hi Robert,
Post by Robert Hass
Patrick,
I just connected 7912 and 7940 to EX4200. Works without issues. Tested
few images. Got signal that EX3200 also do the job. But what about
EX3300 and EX2200 (I don't have any of them for testing)
I stand corrected.

I didn't think it would work from past experience. In my case the POE
switch I was testing (non Juniper) was a Type B (only).

In addition to the document Skeeve posted, I found an explanation of how
cisco POE works and how you could make it work with switches like the
one I tested.

<http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Cisco+POE>


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Paulhamus, Jon
2014-02-06 16:15:16 UTC
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Just a note -

I know that on some Cisco phones using EX2200-12C switches we needed to use crossover cables to connect the phones.

That was in the release notes for the switches - at the time we were running 11.4R5.5


-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Okui [mailto:pokui at psg.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 5:04 AM
To: Robert Hass
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Subject: Re: [j-nsp] PoE for older Cisco IP Phones

Hi Robert,
Post by Robert Hass
Patrick,
I just connected 7912 and 7940 to EX4200. Works without issues. Tested
few images. Got signal that EX3200 also do the job. But what about
EX3300 and EX2200 (I don't have any of them for testing)
I stand corrected.

I didn't think it would work from past experience. In my case the POE switch I was testing (non Juniper) was a Type B (only).

In addition to the document Skeeve posted, I found an explanation of how cisco POE works and how you could make it work with switches like the one I tested.

<http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Cisco+POE>


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patrick
Skeeve Stevens
2014-02-03 23:23:05 UTC
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This is a good document.

http://www3.networktest.com/jnpriop/jnprvoipiop.pdf


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Post by Robert Hass
7940
7912
Will Juniper EX2200, EX3300 and EX4300 work with these IP Phones ?
I know that they will work with EX4200 but what about newer Juniper
switches ?
Rob
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Klaczko, Edwin
2014-02-19 18:00:09 UTC
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I've been running predominately 7940's and 60s on EX2200 for a couple years now. As was posted upthread, they do work, but there are a couple big caveats. Because the 79x0's don't support LLDP these phones can't recognize a separate voice vlan without CDP. If you're not separating your voice traffic then you're pretty much golden, assuming you are ok with not separating your voice traffic. But if you are separating it then our workaround was to make every potential phone port a trunk port (set the access port as the native and tag the voice vlan). Also you have to set the voice vlan (administrative vlan) on each phone to the vlan you want it to use. Yes, we touched each phone. Our phones don't move too much between vlans so this wasn't too big a deal; except for the initial effort. This is also pretty easy to do so you could, we didn't, ask your end users to do this. The phones do take a little longer to register, sometimes up to 5 minutes when they first power on. This must be a timeout somewhere since resetting the admin vlan on the phone as it's searching connects you right away.

If you're still with me the next issue we ran into was with our E911 server. Since Cisco's CER didn't support 3rd party switches we went with 911Enable's EGW. We ran for a bit using L3 discovery and things worked well, but I needed to get L2 discovery working. After all 911Enable supported Juniper EX's. Well unfortunately their script to map MAC addresses from switchports scanned for trunk ports(which after all should be aggregation ports) and eliminated them from the scan. They were quite shocked I was setting all my access ports to trunk, and I was shocked that they hadn't run across this with another customer. I've got to say here is where I experienced service like I've never gotten before. I got off the phone with one of their support engineers at around 2PM, they were going to take this problem up the chain. She e-mailed me around 4PM asking for some logs and by 9AM the next day reached out to me with a solution. Essentially they changed their L2 scanning script to not flag trunk ports, these have to be manually flagged after an initial scan of a switch. Since this functionality is new it needs to be done via CLI, and they like to do this themselves. So whenever I add switches and need to import them into EGW I need to open a ticket with them. Not ideal, but since we have the in-house staff it's not too bad.


Eddie Klaczko


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Subject: [j-nsp] PoE for older Cisco IP Phones

I have some older pre-standard PoE IP Phones (it's NOT 802.1af) from Cisco:
7940
7912

Will Juniper EX2200, EX3300 and EX4300 work with these IP Phones ?
I know that they will work with EX4200 but what about newer Juniper switches ?

Rob
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